Hacking Your Health
Hacking Your Health Podcast with Ben Canning and Dave Kennedy - Two guys setting out to hack body, mind, business and beyond. We are here to provide a single source, bullshit free guide to understanding your body and how you can live better, for longer.
Hacking Your Health
Episode 137: Blending Health and Hustle: Personal Transformations, Entrepreneurial Insights, and the Truth About Progress
Get ready for an inspiring and entertaining journey as we explore the world of health and entrepreneurship. In this episode, we reflect on the sacrifices and triumphs within our We Hack Health community, celebrating the personal health journeys and fitness goals of our members. We also share candid insights into the struggles of managing multiple companies while dealing with ADHD, and the importance of listening to our bodies for rest and recharge. Plus, join us as we take you along on our Vegas trip, filled with entrepreneurial lessons and colorful anecdotes.
As we dive into the complexities of fitness goals and body transformations, we discuss the psychology behind staying complacent and the challenges of maintaining consistency. We share personal stories and client anecdotes that shed light on the mental aspects of physical transformation, emphasizing the importance of accountability and regular check-ins. And if you're curious about pre-workout supplements, we've got you covered. From debunking the claims of certain ingredients to discussing the formulation of our own pre-workout product, we explore what makes a pre-workout effective and safe.
So, join us on this exciting episode filled with inspiring stories, practical insights, and thought-provoking discussions. Whether you're an entrepreneur looking for motivation, a fitness enthusiast seeking tips, or simply curious about the world of health and hustle, this episode has something for everyone. Grab your headphones and get ready to be entertained, educated, and inspired to reach new heights in your own health and entrepreneurial journey.
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You know that there has had to have been some sacrifice, whether it's time or nutrition or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:I was recording myself talking about having a relationship with my chest. I'm ben cunning.
Speaker 2:I'm dave kennedy and this is hacking health podcast. It's fucking past 2 pm and you're drinking caffeine. It's past the caffeine curfew. I know what time it is over there.
Speaker 1:Okay, right now I don't even care quarter past 4 pm and I'm gonna be drinking, and I'm gonna be drinking some wine here shortly too, so well, that's okay, but don't be too come, not because you have bad sleep.
Speaker 2:Anyway. Yo, welcome back. Uh, what episode are we on? 137 sounds good. Last, last week we weren't involved. Um, it was the team. I will say this, and I know you listened to it because you sent me a message about it, and I also know that you listened all the way through because the bit that you sent me a message about was right at the end, so nice job. The bit where Dil said at the end of the last podcast, like even two up, two right now. I don't know if this worked. I think they absolutely nailed it, because we had this on a whim. I was like right, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to set this up in the basketball court and we'll just rotate through everybody. And dill was like right now. I was like yes, I mean, he's like okay, but I think you're fucking nailed it. It was one of my favorite episodes it was awesome.
Speaker 1:First of all, I mean just absolutely talented, highly gifted.
Speaker 1:I mean. He was cranking out those videos every night, like throughout the day, and everything. The guy's just a machine. So I was, I was really impressed and I thought the uh, the the podcast for last week. You know, obviously it was recorded a few weeks ago from phoenix but um turned out really really good and it was really cool to hear everybody's perspectives. And it's funny because you know you, you listen to some of the folks that have been here for quite a long time, you know and instill some of the knowledge there and some of the folks are just starting off and you can really appreciate where everybody has come from, where they are now and where they're going and knowing that they're on such an awesome path, and it was, uh, just really great to hear everybody talk and speak and you know um, hear the I. I think that what I heard the most was the confidence right, like, like they know that everything they want to do is attainable and stuff to them yeah, I think that's a really cool part.
Speaker 2:I think the cool a couple of things. Number one it was it was a huge reminder of me as to like the quality of what we are doing with we hack health, the diversity of it, because everybody's goals and everybody's like journeys are so different. But also, the one thing that I was kind of worried about is that, you know, in that sort of space it would have been quite easy for everybody just to repeat the same conversation, because people were coming in at different points and nobody knew what had been said. But I think that there were many different topics that were covered over like a relatively short space of time. I'm not sure how many people there were total, but like it was 90 minutes of a podcast, so many different perspectives, so many different questions.
Speaker 2:It was. It was, yeah, definitely one of my favorite episodes and it was actually with still last Tuesday after I listened to it and after I went out and I was like there's so many bits of that that we need to just pull a shorts because I think there's a lot of quality, just like one liners from people, yeah, um, but yeah, really, really quality episode. And if you haven't listened to it. Go back to the last episode I think it's 136 and listen to it, because it absolutely encapsulates not what we do in we act health, but what we do on the inside, like what happens with the clients and the relationships are formed and the journeys that they go on and the importance of that and what it means to them to be there and what lifting camp is about and just being around everybody.
Speaker 2:It was. It was, yeah, a good reminder and then I had, off the back of that, catch-up calls with everybody and I had just a really good week last week catching up with everybody and seeing what was going on and just to gain a reminder of a fucking opportunity of working with just cool people across the world and I just get to sit here in my house and talk to them on zoom and make sure that they're hitting their goals and everybody's good. It was good, had a good week last week as a bit of a reminder.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yeah Again, Phoenix was a great event. I just got back from a week-long vacation. I was in Roatan, Honduras. Is your tan real or is that still? That is a real tan.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, yeah, it's a real tan. No filter, no filter.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I am tan. Yes, is this the first time in 41 years?
Speaker 1:42 years that I've ever been tan and I will say this is the first vacation I've ever been on where I didn't burn myself like I was really impressed, like this is a whole new, whole new lease on life, a whole new day well, the funny part was I started uh going tanning with aaron, uh, ahead of time at like the tanning salon or tanning booth, whatever the hell you, whatever you call the places the tanning place and call it the electric beach yeah, that sounds good to me.
Speaker 1:And uh, it's funny because they have the this, this one machine there that is like uh, it's like it scans your skin tone. So like you have this like little like uh scanner and you scan your skin tone here and you scan your skin tone. You have this little scanner and you scan your skin tone here and you scan your skin tone here on your forehead and on your arm. It adjusts automatically so you don't burn. It worked really well. It's a 15-minute tan, but it lowers it to just get you a good base tan. I was doing this for a month and I was starting to get fairly tan. Obviously, I get in there. They're like in order to tan, you really need this a hundred dollar lotion that is going to make your tan better. I'm like, oh, yeah, sure it sounds good, you know, and I'm like idiot. Obviously, I have no idea what the hell I'm doing at this.
Speaker 1:Pretty much the entire time I was there, it was hot but it was beautiful. My kids got scuba certified the first two days, so we just hung out at the little scuba house that was there. It was right in this town called West End. There were a lot of shops and things like that. It was a great trip. I caught a 50-pound wahoo, which, thank God, I left. The funny story is that In my, my head.
Speaker 2:You just caught up with your bar hounds. Don't tell me I don't want to jump in and I don't know 250 your feet and snag just got a bad boy.
Speaker 1:I was like it's mine, you know like I started biting into it as well. They just get the raw sushi in the water. But, uh, you know, yeah, but what's funny about it was, um, the uh. The boat captain's like, hey, see, you're pretty muscular. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I lift a little bit here and there or whatever you know. And uh, he's like, so we had this, this, this big boy that was here as well and he was reeling in a fish and he was struggling. It took him like 10 minutes and he was dying and he could barely do it. And out comes a 10 pound tuna, a little tiny baby, little tiny fish, and he's like you better not be that guy. I'm like, oh god, you know, like my family's like laughing their ass off and so, and so we get to, uh, we get to this thing and they catch it and they know what it is, because there's certain um like depths, that that they keep the certain rods out. So it was like six rods going at a given time.
Speaker 1:And each one was at a different depth to try to catch different types of fish that stay at those levels, and so they knew what it was, but they wouldn't say it, and so I didn't know and I'm like, please don't be an F and 10 pound fish, cause, like this thing has been murdering my ass right now Like I I was dying, I was real, this thing and I'm like, and I'm dripping in sweat, like I'm just like head to toe drenched.
Speaker 1:It's like 90 degrees outside my right arm died, like it's like I'm out. It checked out like, but the muscles were gone. Like there's like I know I've been training hard.
Speaker 2:I imagine, though, like this is the, this is the thing that gets me of people who don't live to comment on people who obviously lift weights. It's like you know, it's the same as the opening the jar thing. I'm like I don't practice that specific movement right the jar, like I don't practice reeling in a fish, like I'm not strong at doing that right exactly it's what you train for, right?
Speaker 1:but? But you know, here's this big guy struggling with a 10 pound tuna. It was gonna be ridiculous. You know my kids would never let that go. Trust, trust me when I'm doing it. I'm not letting anybody know I'm exhausted, but I am dead inside my body's like you need to shut down. Whatever you're doing is messing you up. But my arm so the guy, the other fisherman guy who was with us on the boat because we rented this private boat and he's helping me pull the string, but what's actually happening is the string, but what's what's actually happening is the.
Speaker 1:The wahoo fishes are extremely intelligent and they um, fight you, uh, the whole way. So they're at 250 feet and they're fighting you the entire time and your whole goal. And it's got like this, um, uh, it's got this like tension in the, in the line, so that if it pulls too hard, if you were pulling and it was pulling, it would snap the, the the line, right. So it has some bend in it where it'll keep like going outward. And I'm reeling in and it's going outward and I'm fighting this damn thing and it's getting further away and I'm like am I doing this right? I keep going, keep going, and I'm fighting this damn thing that's getting further away and I'm like, am I doing this right? It's like, keep going, keep going. I'm like, all right, I'm about to die here.
Speaker 1:And it's this fight for like 10 solid minutes where you're trying to wear this fish out to where, eventually, the fish gets too exhausted, as I was exhausted and I won, so I eventually reeled him in and here I got this 50-pound wahoo, and thank God it was was 50 pounds, because I was like I I literally collapsed to the floor and I couldn't stand up for a second and I had to, like get my bearings in. I'm like, okay, it's, it's time for me to get on now. Thank god it's a 50 pounder, because I would have been so embarrassed, but it was. It was that impressive of a fish that all the cat, the captain, all the took pictures with it, like they're like we haven't caught one of these in like like eight years. It was like a amazing, like I guess, feet um, and he's like I've never seen that that big of a fish on this boat before, so congratulations. I was like, oh, oh, yeah. So I was like yeah, this is the lifting, does you?
Speaker 1:know and that is why you should lift weights what was great about the whole trip is, you know I'd spoken to you about um, just not feeling great, right, and this will get into discussion for today. But you know I've been dragging ass for some reason. Even in Phoenix my energy levels were just really low and I had trouble concentrating. I was just kind of all over the place and you know I was dealing with a lot of stressors at work. You know nothing bad, just a lot of stuff going on at a given time, just the stress of owning multiple companies, stress of owning multiple companies, the stress of owning multiple companies.
Speaker 1:It's so hard to explain to people. I remember when I had just one job and I was working for somebody and my task was like this straight north arrow of what I need to do. And, yes, I had meetings and distractions and things like that, but my job wasn't ever like an insane, crazy distraction thing. And what I have to do with having multiple jobs is I literally have to shift my brainpower 500 times a day on 500 different things and 500 decisions that can impact the company in one way or the other. And it's just random stuff like hey, you got this HR thing. Hey, I got to go meet with a customer. Hey, this customer is pissed. Hey, you got to hr thing. Hey, I gotta go be with the customer. Hey, this customer's pissed. Hey, you gotta write a report over here for this customer. Hey, this customer's requesting you time. Hey, you gotta book your flights for next week because you're about this keynote. Hey, by the way of a keynote tomorrow, you know, it's like you know. So it's like all of these things that I and I just hear be like do you want to record a podcast? And it's like my mind is just always going out there.
Speaker 1:And what's interesting, I'll talk a little bit of personal. You know, I got diagnosed when I was a kid for having like ADHD or ADD or whatever, but my parents never put me on any medicine and I've always dealt with it. I've never taken medicine. You know, I always looked at it as a superpower, because I can process 10 things at a given time and then I get hyper focused on something that I really enjoy doing and then I get hyper focused on something that I really enjoy doing, right. So like if I, if I obviously like lifting and things like that Right so it's to me it's always been a strength and I recently, you know, met with the doctor and got prescribed Adderall and there's some mixing that obviously a lot of people have like negative connotations.
Speaker 1:Not I did. And the reason I actually decided to give this a shot was I listened to one of the Huberman Labs podcasts and they talked a lot about ADHD and what is actually going on in your brain and why something like Adderall and other medicines help on minimizing the noise, and I just wanted to see what it was like to not have 30 voices in my head at a given time. And what's interesting is I tried it and I'll never try it again. I was single threaded the entire day, which I, you know, I I could get whatever that task was that I wanted done, but, man, I missed those 30 other voices that I had in my head.
Speaker 2:I was like what is going on where's my 30 boys at?
Speaker 1:where my boys at, like. I got 30 people in here talking to me at the time like where are they all at? So I was like, nah, fuck, screw this. You know, and I never, I'll never try it again. So I threw out the rest of it and I didn't like how I felt on it. But you know, just goes to show you, I'm sure there's varying you know, uh, degrees of, of, you know, adhd and things like that, but for me it's, it's one of those things where I was like, ah, I wonder if it'll help me focus, because I'm always all over the place on things that I'm doing. And uh, it did, but I didn't, didn't like the way I felt and I missed the superpower I feel like I have, which is like being able to do 30 things at a given time in my capacity.
Speaker 2:Right, well, I mean, I'm no stranger to trying things that will help me focus and I have tried Adderall and other substances to help me focus. And I will say for me, I've never been diagnosed with ADHD or ADD or anything like that. And maybe I do have it and I need to get diagnosed, but whatever, for me it that and maybe I do have I need to get diagnosed, but whatever, um, for me it's like it is. I will hyper focus on one thing but if I, if I miss the mark on the thing, I'm either going to have a really productive day and get that like meal something or else I'm like down a fucking rabbit hole of like memes on instagram for like five hours and I fucked the whole day.
Speaker 1:so it's like it's a very fun when I even take my daffodil yeah, like I would be. I like an instagram rampage for like six hours straight. I'm like oh crap, I had that. I missed like six calls, you know yeah, hyper focused on the wrong thing.
Speaker 1:You've absolutely fucked it yeah, but, but I will say, what was nice about the trip is, um, I was able to, um, take a week off and I didn't lift. I, I believe I I found this awesome gym that was there and I went inside just to look and I was like, can I get one lift? I didn't do it, though I didn't do it Um and and um and so, uh, I, I really relaxed and I'll tell you the energy levels, the mind clarity, like my recovery, scores on ultra human everything, scores on ultra human everything just shot up like 10 full, my energy levels back to normal. Um, you know it, it just amazes me how our body tells us, hey, slow down, and we don't listen to it all. It's like. It's like why am I tired, why am I sluggish? Why am I not recovering? Well, you're training too hard, you're training too often, you know you're not sleeping enough.
Speaker 1:You're drinking caffeine at 4 pm yeah, you're, you're, you know you're working on 30 things. That's stressing your body out. You have all this stress and then you're like, why am I tired? You're like okay, so the week-long vacation really did a good justice, and I'm happy to report that I did Orange Theory this morning, nailed it, and then I did a back and chest workout yesterday, and it was one of the best back and chest workouts I've ever had. I will say, though, I wish I would have kept lifting minus the whole. Obviously I need recovery time because the soreness that I get afterwards again I can barely walk right now. I'm like walking around, like, oh, oh, my back, my chest, my back, my chest. I was at org street today and I'm running, and every time my chest would bounce like ow, ow, ow ow yeah, now that you have a substantial muscle mass, it moves whenever you move, like it's all.
Speaker 2:They moves as a block, yeah my boobs are bouncing as I was running, so well, I will say I said this to you over the weekend, like I'm I'm looking forward to us being synced on our normal comms cadence, because it's been off for way too fucking long and it's like you've been somewhere. I've been somewhere, I've been in a different time zone, you've been a different time zone. It has fucked me absolutely completely. I will say, though, I think I beat jet lag coming back from Vegas, and I didn't want to get too on my high horse and talk about it last week, um, because I was afraid that, like you know, four days later it would just come and hit me and I was just like fall asleep at my desk. But I think I beat jet lag last week and come home from Vegas and I'll talk briefly on Vegas and why I was there Um, I went to acquisitioncom headquarters and, for anybody who doesn't know that, uh, I'm a bit of a alex and nila hormuzi fanboy, um, matt and I got the opportunity to go and hang out with him, and I think it was maybe 60 or 60 or 70 other business owners there, um, and it was a bit of a realization moment for me, as like and you know that I don't do this very often, but it was as soon like I have worked my way to be able to even be in this room, which which was kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Um, a lot of business stuff and no, I'm not trying to sell my business but it was good to sort of like think about things as to like what actually goes into selling the business and like what goes into actually run the business. We were going through numbers and I was technically being like what does this mean, like actual, actual business terms? So it was good to be in Vegas with Matt and we recorded some cool content. We brought Chas. It was quite funny.
Speaker 2:So Chas is the videographer that does work for a bit of work for Matt and a bit of work for Blair, and he's like 22 and he hasn't been in Vegas as an adult or he hasn't been in America as an adult. So obviously we brought him to Vegas and then he was just let free to do whatever we want and neither of them had ever been shooting and obviously, uh, state by state the laws are slightly different. You can just fucking shoot whatever the fuck you want. I guess they're going to be like right, what do you want to do? Is like we've got like 800 guns here and I'm like what they show you, like this, this menu. So they hadn't shown me we got to have a lot of fun at the shooting range.
Speaker 2:Um, we didn't. There's two things that you can do that we didn't do. Number one, you can drive a tank and number two, you can shoot a minigun from a helicopter. So maybe next time we're in vegas we can, we can get involved in that, in that stuff. But uh, yeah, I had a lot of fun in vegas. It was cool to be there, um, but I am. I was like I was laughing last week at the. You know, the goal with being an online coach is living that laptop lifestyle and being able to travel and work and having that quote unquote freedom.
Speaker 1:But boy was I glad to fucking be working in my office last week, like you know, one thing I could appreciate you know it was mentioned on the podcast too is, like you know, you would say you're a control freak, but they had said, you know, you're more of a quality freak, right, and you know, it's interesting how our two different styles really, I think, complement each other, in the sense that I'm the type of person that is like get it done and I don't think about the quality aspects. Don't get me wrong. I know I have to have a good product or be the best at what we do, right, but I don't package it that way and eventually I get there right, you know. So, like for me, there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a book that I I read a long time ago and it was called uh, uh, from the guys from 37 signals that wrote ruby on rails, and I mentioned the book before. It's called rework really great book, by the way, if you're looking at just how to manage or how to start, it's like the, the opposite of what we're taught. It's's like punch a guy in the face. Obviously it's extremes, but it's how I run my businesses, but they also had-.
Speaker 2:Well, just to clarify it doesn't punch people in the face. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:But they had a book called I think it was called like Application Development or something like that. It was like Web Application Development or something like that, and it's how they wrote Ruby on Rails, and there's always a comment in there that always stuck with me. That I always remember whenever I'm building something, whether it's a product or a company or something new or a service, and it's release a half product, not a half ass product. Yeah, and for me, you think of the approach and agile workflow and things like that in development. You don't release a full product when you come out with your first beta or alpha, right, eventually it grows into what is this mature product and you iterate or you rebuild the whole thing again down the road when a new technology comes out. But you're always building on a foundation that's solid, but the house isn't necessarily fully built yet, right, and so for me, I'm I'm like probably one extreme where I'm like, okay, they just poured the foundation, the concrete's not, you know, yet, you know uh, uh dry, let's start building the effing house, right, you know like, hey, we're supposed to wait a little bit. You know, we got, we got to get some things here, and like I don't care what the house looks like. You know. Just make sure that it has a door that you can walk through and it's secure. No, no, we need to make the house look pretty so that people want to buy the house. Oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. Okay, so we're two different yet alike people obviously seeing the same shared vision, just two different ways of getting there that we complement each other to get there. I think the best and effective way, way and um, you know the the biggest thing, that that. So it's funny because you will go to these seminars and you will learn a lot and be inspired and you will use it and and you will be a better person for it.
Speaker 1:Me, I would never be caught dead in those those, those types of meetings and I would have the worst time going to those. I'd be like I hate this place. I don't want to listen to this guy talk, I'll figure it out on my. And presentations where they're like hey, this is how I built my business. I'm like that's cool, but that's not how I built my business and it's completely different.
Speaker 1:But I know there's parallelisms and you can obviously learn from other people, but I have a tough, tough, tough, tough, tough, tough time listening to other people talk about how they did something For me. It's like my mind doesn't compute that way. I have to figure it out on my own. Now I might you know when I need something that I don't know how to do. It's like the matrix, right? You plug in the back of your head, you know, you open up a book and, boom, I know I know jujitsu. Right, that's how I think about things, where I'm like, okay, I have a specific thing, but I don't proactively, you know, read books and do other things and learn and expand my knowledge, which, again, people are probably like this guy's an idiot that's why I laugh.
Speaker 2:That's why I laugh whenever. Whenever you talk about a book that I read, I'm like it's a very short list of books. It's like it's maybe one of three books he's going to mention right now, because he doesn't talk about like there's not many books, like you got me to read the, the uh the only day of your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is like one of the only books I've read like a while. It's funny because boyd you know I love boyd and he gives me a really heartfelt book that you know was like really inspirational to him and you know it was at phoenix and he sent me a message like hey, man, if you're ready, I'm like shit bro, like it's gonna be a while before I read that book and you're gonna have to keep nagging me before I go and do it. I'm like, I'm like I'll read it on vacation. I put my bag at every intention of reading it, never pick the book up. You know, like I have a really tough time with it. It's like a stigma with me and I have, like all these books I have, like lifespan from, like you know, like Dr Atiyah's new book. I want to know what's inside of there. I just don't want to pick the book up and read it.
Speaker 2:The thing that I've decided is I'm not a reader, but I'm a book collector, like, I've got so many books over here but I'm not interested in reading them for that exact same reason. But I will say a note on the quality and the product development thing. It brings me onto two points. Points number one the second iteration of what the hacks program is and the relaunch of coaching. We will do an entire podcast on that because I'm excited to share that and that's something that I've been working on in the background. Number two I mean just as a reminder to everybody, we're still doing the supplements company. We have forgotten about it.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing you gotta respond to, jess, yes, I know, I know, I know, um, but yes, I think that the biggest thing for that is understanding we're still doing it in the background.
Speaker 2:I did have a call, a meeting with Sean today, and I think for me and this is just, I guess, a full transparency thing for everyone I was in so much of a rush and focus to have an initial product, as we did for Phoenix, for the event that it was so, so hyper focused, and then now that we know that we've done that and we can just sort of like iterate through the flavors, the formulas and all the other bits and pieces, trying to find a name and sort out all the other like you know, non-important shit out.
Speaker 2:Um, we're still doing it in the background for anybody he doesn't know, but we will, we will get there and I think, like I'm enjoying and you're exactly right, like you want to just get the fucking thing done and I'm like, but what about like this very one specific thing that I think is important, that maybe not even anybody will notice, but that's, I think, why we complement each other and that. But yes, there will be more updates on that and I read more updates on what's going on with coaching. Um, because I haven't obviously opened the doors in coaching and, uh, we're going for like three and a half months, so it'll be interesting to start bringing some new people on, because they just had other focuses in other places. So we'll do a podcast on that, potentially next week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think we might have a guest on recorded in this podcast this week that I didn't tell you about what? Not today?
Speaker 1:wait did you record a podcast?
Speaker 2:no, no, no no, no, no, no, no. A guest on a podcast that we're going to record this week oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:I was like are you cheating on me now? No, no, no, don't worry, I just have booked a guest.
Speaker 2:We will both record a podcast with that person this week. Anyway, you want to talk about why your cut didn't work.
Speaker 1:Listen, we talk about our successes and our failures, and I've had a lot of success with this program. I've had a lot of success in the past and I continue to have success. Can I give my two cents away?
Speaker 2:I think it didn't work.
Speaker 1:Well, hang on, let me just preface it, I won't ruin it, but I will call you in, okay. So I've gone through several what you would consider cuts and bulks, or surpluses and deficits, right, and I've had a lot of success with those. I've had a lot of success in where I wanted to go with my gains. This last time I did so, I did a surplus, and then the goal was for vacation to be ready, you know, to have a nice, nice lean, you know body for vacation, to be ready, to have a nice, lean body for vacation.
Speaker 1:When I was on there and it wasn't bad, but it definitely wasn't where I needed to be I probably needed to be another 10 to 15 pounds leaner, and I failed at it, and I didn't hit the goals that I needed to, and I'll let Ben pontificate on why, but I'm pretty sure he knows why. But we'll let him talk first, and then I'll talk a little bit about what I struggled with, because I did fail this time around, and what I do like about this, though, is everything's a learning lesson, and when you have these types of things to me, what I look at this as is yes, it's a failure, but it's going to be a success next time, and it's going to be an overwhelming success because I won't let it be a failure next time going around. But I'll let him pontificate why. Why he thinks I did just to caveat this.
Speaker 2:I didn't know we were having this conversation until I just hit record. Dave was like I'm going to speak about why my cut was a failure. It's like okay, well, I didn't know it was a failure, so strap yourself in. Uh, I think a couple of things that come to mind is number one Dave has not been consistent with his check-ins. I think that is definitely plays a big part.
Speaker 2:Number two, I think and this is I speak from my own personal experience on this there is the eternal battle with wanting to be bigger and when you're bigger, wanting to be leaner, so not actually committing to the goal. It was like okay, for this period of time, I'm going to focus on getting leaner and I accept the fact that I'm not going to make as much progress in terms of strength and gains, and in the gym I'm going to feel smaller, my clothes will feel different and I won't like it because I've spent so much time getting bigger. But that's okay, cause that's what the goal is. And then the flip thing happens. I will say that's what I'm saying. No, you're done. The third thing that I will say is and again, this is I'm only talking from my own personal experience, so I don't know. This is specifically.
Speaker 2:I feel like whenever you go through it so many times, it's easy to get complacent with it. So I know myself that I can do it. So the first time you do it, you don't really know that you're going to do it, so you're all in so like I'll do it. I'll tick every single box just to make sure that I can definitely do it. And once you've done it, you're like okay, I know I can do this.
Speaker 2:So you're not as invested and actually I've had this conversation a couple times with clients in a similar vein as to like they don't feel, like they're as attached to their initial goals. So whenever you first start, the pain of change is so great that you want to do it. The urgency is really there. But the more you go through the progress and the more that you have confidence in the thing that it works, the more that you start to like I don't want to say cut corners, but you don't, you're not like fully in to the process, and then that's where it doesn't necessarily work as much. They would be the three things that I would say, and that's from my own personal experience.
Speaker 1:And you're a hundred percent nailed it. I would say the third one. I was going to say exactly that. I got too comfortable.
Speaker 1:You know, and and you know what's interesting, the first time you go through, let's just say, a bulking phrase or a surplus we don't like the word bulking, cause it's not this crazy, you know, get you know, at 100 pounds or 50 pounds or 70 pounds, right, it's, it's, it's very controlled, right, um. So, so you know this, this whole surplus phase, right, the first time you go through this, you're like, oh my god, I'm going back to fat dave again, like this is, this is terrible. So you're terrified, right, so you have that fear going into it. Then you get to the cutting phase, like, oh my god, thank god, I can't wait to shred this off. And then you're like, well, wait a minute. I was like super strong then and I was big. And look at that one picture. You see that one picture of me. I'm like, oh my god, my arms are just like holy smokes. I'm like, this is huge. You know, like then I want to be back to that again, because I know I can do this again.
Speaker 1:And so you know, we had run this twice. I think, right, we've done a really big surplus and a really big cut. And a really big surplus and a really big cut. This last cut went phenomenal. I was the leanest I've ever been. I was like what? 217? And I looked incredible. I had a six-pack. It was probably the best cut I've ever done and with all that progress with the muscle mass that we built over time, right? Well, this last time we decided to do more of an extended surplus to where I would you know be in a controlled situation, growing. But you know to really try to add on. And I got the two. What?
Speaker 2:50, 255 or something like that. Yeah, 252, 53, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so you know I gained quite a bit. And then you know I'm like, oh cool, it's cut time. You know, flip a switch. And you know I didn't have as much vested interest in this one, nor the fear or the scare and, by the way, I just hit a 600 pound f and deadlift. So I'm like I don't want to lose that right. And and then, so my then. But then you know I'm like, well, I gotta do is cut. So I start cutting down and I got all the way down to I think my lowest was like 231, okay, and and after that I'm like and I, by the way, I had lost a lot of strength. So you know, I was definitely not as strong as I was. Obviously, my surplus makes sense. You know, you're not eating as many calories, your muscle isn't as big.
Speaker 2:There's also 20 pounds less of you 20 pounds less of you.
Speaker 1:So you know, I was, I was, you know, struggling with, you know 555 and then 525, you know. And I was like whoa, what's going on here? You know, I can't, I can't tell those 600 pounds and this is not good. And so I got more complacent with what I was doing because I was more comfortable with what I've done before. I didn't have that fear. I let the system lapse as well. My check-ins, right. So my check-ins became less and less frequent. I just chalked it up to I'm too busy, right, which you know that's bullshit. Because you know, I I have been very consistent for three plus years with check-ins and never missed one, regardless of how busy I was.
Speaker 1:It goes to show you what you can do on your mind, right. Your mind's like, oh, dude, it's so busy this wednesday, I'll get it next wednesday and ben will understand it's cool, right, and and, and then it's next wednesday. You're like, well, fuck, I got all this stuff. I can't do this right now. Like I'm too busy, like I'll just get next Wednesday and then I get like one in next Wednesday, but I wouldn't have any of my data in there. So, like you're like, well, I don't know if you're sleeping good. I don't know if you're doing this good, you know. You know, are you injured? I have no idea. So you know it was.
Speaker 1:It was not a well-structured approach that I normally run and I did get down. Like I said, I was down to 231. Right now I'm sitting at 239 or 238. So I probably needed to drop another 15 pounds or so. I probably needed to be around 225 or 230. 230 is probably okay, but 225 would have been probably more desirable and that would have been a much better. You know success. So you know we haven't talked about this yet, so I need to do. Obviously I'm doing check-in Wednesday. Trust me, he was all shit. She didn't she didn't.
Speaker 1:She didn't we're going back to the basics. We're going back to the basics, everybody. We're going back to the straight up. You know fear of failing again. So, oh, I think this is good for me. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know I'm I'm scared of failing again doing this. However, I need to be big again, so we're gonna be doing well, here I'll, let's.
Speaker 2:We'll no, no, no, no, no. We'll do this life because, yes, you need to be big again, but we need to give ourselves more of a runway, so we need to do a little bit of a cut to come into it. And two, two big lessons in this number one, I will take ownership and responsibility that I should have been more on you with your check-in. Now I will say we do have the benefit if we communicate every single day, but we do also talk a lot of nonsense. We do talk some sense, but like there are bits that get lost in translation of what's actually going on. But the second thing is, I think, understanding that.
Speaker 2:Why is this? Well, I guess the biggest thing is you may see it as a failure, but previous version of you would have absolutely fucking loved to go away on vacation as you did this time around. So it's like it's not a failure technically. Yes, you would have liked to have been better, but in the grand scheme of things you were still in a much better position overall um, yes, so I will tell you, I felt amazing with my shirt off.
Speaker 1:I felt amazing on the beach. I still had abs. I mean, I have visible abs, you know. It just wasn't as lean as I would like to have been, right, I was extremely muscular. I got complimented all the time by, of course, other dudes Like that's all I care about, yeah, but you know that's all I care about. So he's like, oh, my One of the locals is like damn dude, like you got those big muscles. I'm like, thanks, man, but it was, uh, you know, I felt great, you know, and obviously a tan adds a whole other element to that as well. Right, so I was tan, I looked great, I felt great.
Speaker 1:I even wore, um, you familiar with, uh, young la, the brand so young la is like a bodybuilding, um type of equipment, uh, clothing line. And um, young la has these really short shorts. You know that, show off your quads, cause, like, what's funny is like you really can't tell I have built up legs, unless you see my quads, cause I have like these little calves. I don't want to, I don't want to go there. There's no actually funny story.
Speaker 1:I'm walking when I see this dude, he's like the skinniest dude ever, like I mean he had to weigh like a buck 35, but he had the largest calves I had ever seen in my entire life. I'm like you, son of a bitch, you know. And he was tall, it was tall, he was like, he was like he was like six foot two and he had like the most amazing calves I've ever seen. And I'm like, I'm like mesmerized. I'm like every time I can see his like muscles moving and the veins are popping out, I'm like, oh my god, look for me.
Speaker 1:And aaron looks at me like are you serious right now? Like you've been staring at his calves for like five minutes. I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not looking up anyways. So so I was. I was mesmerized by this guy's calves. So amazing guy, I was gonna go over a compliment. If I walk out of my dude your calves, like tell me what you do. You know, like I need to know, I'll, in fact, I'll even lose all this muscle on top, no, and lose everything just to get the cash, no, no, just the gas.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. So I think it's um, for the good, a little bit more runway. So to try and put us both back on the same path, we'll say I'm gonna do a little bit of a cut coming up to the event in orlando in may, which is like six weeks away. So I feel like you should be on that, I'll go through it in your check-in, but I feel like you should be on that same path and we'll drop down maybe 10, 12, 15 pounds in that time frame and then that'll put you in a better position, leaner, to then start moving into a surplus and we can do that slightly longer term again yeah, we can chat about it.
Speaker 1:I, I, what I, what I would prefer to do, is chalk this up as as this was my cut, and then go until close to vegas and then, prior to vegas, hit a cut and then, while I'm in vegas, also cut and and there's a reason why I want to do that I want to immerse myself in the worst possible situation and stay true to a hard cut while I'm actually in a place that would probably relate to not having it. But we can talk about it. We can talk about it.
Speaker 2:We can talk about it.
Speaker 1:You're my coach. Obviously I'm going to go with what you're saying.
Speaker 2:However, but it's not what I want.
Speaker 1:It's what you want.
Speaker 2:I just have my perspective. I just need to be big again. I just need to be big. I will also say this, and this is this is a like genuine realization that I've had myself over the past I don't know a couple of weeks I think this is the first time that I've been happy to maintain a specific level of body composition. I'm not like the two caught up in I want to be bigger or I want to be leaner, like, yes, I do want to be both of those things, but I'm happy with my overall physique and I've been.
Speaker 2:I've been able to maintain it while having a crazy travel schedule for the past six or seven weeks, and every time I, every time I go into the, into the changing rooms in the gym, and I roll sort of magic light in their magic mirror they've got in there I'm like, damn, I've still actually managed to really stay in shape here. So for me, this is the first time in just over 10 years where I'm like if I stayed this body composition, I'd be in a happy place. Now I am going to push to be a little bit leaner, to go into orlando, because it's six weeks away, and I just want to be different than people who saw me when I was in phoenix, and then that'll give me more of a runway to then push calories in the other side. Um, but yeah, it's the first time I've been like, do you know what? Like if I I don't want to, but if I stayed the same, I think I'm about 215 at the minute. I think that's right about 97 kilos, I think.
Speaker 2:Um, and I've been able to stay around that for the past seven weeks of being literally fucking all around the world. Um, it's been pretty good to be able to do it and it's been pretty good to be like, do you know what? I'm actually okay with this and actually one conversation I had with matt um, whenever we were in vegas because chad was like we go training, he does, which is a different conversation for a different time he was so hyped to train every day. We trained hard one day in Dragon's Lair and then we went and did arms and shoulders a couple of days in the hotel and the gym in the Cosmo, which is actually really nice gym in the Cosmo. The hotel gym is absolutely spot on.
Speaker 1:I love the gym. I think up to 100 pounds on the dumbbells.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah um, but yeah, we both sort of said like it's almost, I've put in 10 years of work, matt's put in 20 years of of training. It's like we're at the position now where we don't need to do a lot to just maintain, and it actually feels good to be in that position. And then I know, obviously, when the time comes to push it a little bit, then I can push it a little bit. But yeah, the first time that I felt like I'm happy with the body composition, I'm happy with how I look with my clothes on and my clothes off, because obviously that's the battle of like when you're lean, you look smaller with your clothes on but you look great with your clothes off. But when you're big, you look good with your clothes on but not so good with your clothes off.
Speaker 1:It's exactly right and and, like I said, I I'm I'm happy with the balance that I had. You know, I had a great balance of of muscle mass and abs, but, you know, again, not as lean as I would have liked to been on the beach, like. You know, like the last time, I think was last year, I went to uh, where did we go last year, I can't remember? Oh, uh, say, uh, uh, the us side of of the caribbean, um st thomas and um, and I was really lean. You know, again, like that's probably one of the Caribbean, um St Thomas, uh and um, and I was really lean. You know, again, like that was probably one of the best cuts that I'd ever done there. So, um, but yeah, um, uh, I just think it was.
Speaker 1:It was again a lot of those failures you'd mentioned before. So I we'll talk about it, we'll figure it out. We got a good plan. I won't let that happen again and I'm definitely going to what we need to do is actually just come up with a program I started today like I have everything long I've been methodical with it.
Speaker 1:You know I, you know I, I'm back. I'm back, baby I'm back.
Speaker 2:Don't call it a comeback, um, but I think we will talk about it. I'll see where we're at with your check-in and actually have the information, but I will map out in terms of weeks so that you know we stick to the plan and what we'll need to do is maybe we could do a brief check-in every single week on the podcast so people know that you're actually sticking to it and what's going on as to where you're at and a reminder of like we're doing.
Speaker 2:This is the goal. This is what we're doing please hold me accountable.
Speaker 1:Community, too, you know, like, like, I'm supposed to be out here, you know getting shit on twitter and and I, you know I have my own failure here, so you know, I'm going to definitely double down, uh on it and uh, you know, and and I also struggle too, like I'm having like these internal battles with myself of how to train. So we got to figure that out too. It's like, do I continue to push heavy, heavy, heavy weights while also balancing my hypertrophy aspects? Do I do like balancing more of the bodybuilding, or I continue to do I like the power building stuff, but again, it's like you know you're spending two hours in the gym, you know, so I gotta figure out some really, really tough decisions here the next you know, few weeks, um, to get me kind of where I want to be.
Speaker 2:What we need to do is like have our initial call again, like have an initial console call again and just see where you're at.
Speaker 1:Like re-establish the baseline and go from there yeah, and I I'm, um, I'm thinking, you know, no more 600 pound deadlifts. I'm thinking not spending as much time with maxing out the weights, but more so on the quality of the work that I'm doing and obviously the muscle building process, but also still being strong. So I'm getting there, but it's hard for me because I would spend three and a half hours in the gym and I'd be hitting all these massive PRs and then, all of a sudden, now I'm like like, well, I'm getting bigger, getting stronger, but not as strong as I could be. So it's it's a tough mental balance that I'm trying to.
Speaker 2:I will say this the obviously, the goal is to be strong and to look strong and, yes, matt said something. Well, we had a conversation between us whenever we were in the. I can't remember how it came about, but we're talking about, like, what the superpower is, and he was like your superpower is, you're much stronger than you look. I was like I don't. I don't know if I'm taking that as a comment or I'm a little bit offended, but, thanks, I think so I'll take it. I'll take it in this one, in this one instance, but uh, yeah, I think we need to have a conversation as to what direction we think, because, yes, we do want to be bigger, but we also want to like. You know, if we talk about longevity, like doing 600 pound deadlifts and actually, speaking of all this, hold on a second forgot, you're gonna fucking train ronnie coleman, what the fuck?
Speaker 1:yes, yes. So right now, just be me, might be you as well, and maybe a couple other folks. We'll see. We'll see what uh, what happens. But, um, yeah, the uh it was. It was crazy. So. So Ronnie released a new line of shoes and they had this VIP package you could purchase on top of it. So I didn't know this at all, I just pre-registered for the shoes. I was going to get some of Ronnie's shoes. They look sweet. It's got like, yeah, buddy, in the back of it. They actually look like really cool kicks. So I was like I'll wear these. I'll wrap Ronnie Coleman anytime, and Ronnie's been an icon of mine for quite a long time. He's on my mural in the gym, obviously, along with you, obviously, and Jay Cutler and Arnold. And so there's this VIP package. I was like what's this? He's like private training session with Ronnie Coleman. Oh my.
Speaker 2:God yeah buddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, buddy, there it is. I'm on vacation. I'm like add to cart and you know and it's funny because like I've gotten to know the CEO a little bit of that runs the shoe company and Ronnie sent me a personalized message saying hey, dave, thanks so much for the VIP package and I look forward to working out with you. I'm like what the fuck, tell me you're going to work out with me.
Speaker 1:This is crazy, so you think back to the day of before, like, if you think back to you know, 135 pound deadlift, if I'm not like where, the stage that you're at now, I'd like you're getting just getting voice messages or video messages from ronnie coleman about, yeah, yeah, I actually have his phone number. It's like I'm like what, like he's like, okay, this is really happening. So it'll be, it'll be interesting. But obviously you know we got to get some dates uh, planned and uh, you know, figure out when, when the best is he? He it's actually the ball's in my court. Now he messaged me. He said when you get back from vacation, just let me know what dates work for you. He's out of Texas. I'm probably flying, I think, dfw, we're going to Texas. We're going to Texas. It's about a road trip. It should be fun. One last thing I wanted to hit on before we end the podcast is Sometimes, yeah. And then one last thing I wanted to hit on before we end the podcast is so Sometimes.
Speaker 2:I get nervous when you say that, because I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, it's crazy. It's a good learning lesson on how supplements can be completely bogus, and when something is hyped up so good, is it always that case Right? And so there was eight studies that came out recently around lion's mane, and lion's mane being a mushroom was touted as having a monumental impact on focus clarity, as well as memory retention, brain everything else right. And so now you see lion's mane in literally almost every nootropic supplement. Um, in you know any major pre-workout, a lot of times we'll have lion's mane in it.
Speaker 1:We stayed away from lion's mane in ours, um, but, uh, these studies basically showed, uh, that it had little to no benefit whatsoever in any cognitive function at all. Like no, nothing, like zero, like doesn't do anything. Um, there was like some some like like off-shelf thing, like where if you were like you know, he was like in like your 60s or 70s and you had cognitive decline, it might help a little bit so I'm super specific like it's like this, like really weird edge case, and the data is like well, it's probably not to be honest with you, but there might be something there.
Speaker 1:More studies need to be done, but basically it looks to be a bunch of hogwash. So I thought that was really crazy, because you look at these supplements and they tout all of these different amazing benefits and we don't know much about a lot of these ones that come out there know like there's one right now. It's like sajati mushrooms or something like they're sajati it's like a tar, it's like an extract tar that comes out of like a I have.
Speaker 2:I have been using that, yeah, yeah I've been using that, so I got hit with the answering. I'm out just one too many times I was like fuck it oh, I'll go right there and go grab mine as well.
Speaker 1:That I had in there, so I have the same thing over here it's the worst thing to put into anything, because you take it number one you have to take these gummies. The gummies are not as bad, but they taste.
Speaker 2:It tastes like an ashtray, but I kept trying to put so I put it in my morning shake with the element and creatine. But like so, it's like I have liquid and then powder, and I'm like how do you put this? Like what way do I, how do I get this in? I'm like you know, two, two spins anyway.
Speaker 1:Well so, but what, what? What it? What you can extrapolate from at least the, the shia jat stuff, is that it has some really powerful antioxidants and a lot of vitamins and minerals. Okay, so it's, it's a very potent mineral complex. Now, could you get that from literally anything else? Absolutely right. Does it have some secret formula that this tar magically reverses aging? No, you know. So you know you got to be really careful on the claims of a lot of the different types of supplements out there. That's why, when we built our pre-workout, it wasn't based off of, you know, pontification. One, it was a lot of experimentation, you know, and how it made us feel right. But two, um, it was also backed by copious amounts of data studies. Like the gaba is my favorite. Like I don't understand why gaba isn't in literally every pre-workout the secrets we're an open.
Speaker 1:We open. Our ingredient list will be fully transparent every single dose.
Speaker 1:Everything is there. There's no proprietary blends, nothing like that. And the big thing about GABA that is fascinating and Huberman is a huge fan of GABA. He uses it for his nighttime, for the GABA receptors. And what's amazing about GABA, if you take it as a pre-workout, is it's anywhere between four to 10 times the amount of human growth hormone production naturally in your body. So it shoots up your IGF-1 levels in your body. If you take it as a pre-workout, it also heavily focuses on as a nootropic. For focus and clarity, there's copious amounts of scientific data, studies, peer-reviewed randomized control studies, human control studies, uh, animal control studies all showing the the benefits of of gaba. And I've again, I have no idea like I'd rather put gaba in there than lion's mane, which is like this magic potion of mushrooms that's supposed to give you this.
Speaker 2:I will say I mean, I know I'm biased, but again, every time I take our pretty work right, I'm like fucking, absolutely no, but like that's even just crazy this morning.
Speaker 2:So I will say this again like I brought the tub with me, I was like I don't know whether I'm gonna be able to get this back through customs and that's been open or whatever. But I brought it to vegas because I wanted matt to try it. I was like a little bit nervous because it's like you know, obviously I've tried it, you've tried it, everybody tried it. Let's say yeah, but I like I was there, yeah, but I was like there, like here. You know, take this, and I mean again to my idea, absolutely even the flavor. It was the, the strawberry lime one, which again you put in an email about fucking kiwi.
Speaker 1:It's not kiwi oh shit, did you kiwi again? Oh my god, the strawberry, the strawberry. I got like a strawberry lime flavor.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I can say that we absolutely have nailed that and yes, and obviously everything filled transparency a little bit. I think one thing that we'll do as well is number one. We should probably record, once we go to launch, record a whole episode on the pre-workout, the formula, why it's all in, but also create content around each ingredient and why it's in because I think, oh, we will like oh yeah, this is in it, this is in it, this in it.
Speaker 2:But like, why is it? Why is it those two? It is what's the benefits, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1:Etc yeah, and and the the big thing that that, you know, we really tried to accomplish with all of this was we added some L-theanine and some other. It was really and we tried so many different variations of it and different experimentations and seeing what works best for us and then, obviously, sharing it with a lot more folks, you know, we finally got to the point to where, you know, we felt comfortable sharing with others and I, you know, I shared it with Dom and Dom's like dude, this is the best pre-workout, and Dom's like, obviously, a meathead power lifter, you know, and then he shared with all of his buddies that are all of his workout crew, like his power lifting, this is my new pre-workout right.
Speaker 2:So I think we absolutely nailed it on the record. I did order some. I don't know how this is going to go, but I did order some baggies. So I'm going to send out some samples to people, because people have been asking me, like this is a black with no label, I'm going to put some powder in it and try and send it to someone, so I might get arrested but I'm going to send push some other people to try.
Speaker 1:So if anybody wants one, dm me on twitter. So we got, you know, but we still got a lot of work to do. Um, you know, we got, obviously, um one. You know we got the, the super secret project that still hasn't been released yet, but you know we're getting there. Um, but I think there's. You know we got a lot of cool stuff um coming through here soon with everything we do.
Speaker 2:We do it's good to be back recording podcasts at a normal cadence. I will also say I know that you asked me was I going to record a podcast with anybody else? Probably, from the end of this month I'm going to do plant specific podcasts, which I'm not not inviting you to, but I think it will be me and other clients. I want you to be the first one. It'll be a slightly different dynamic and we'll start recording a second episode per week because I think the episode in phoenix reminded me that there are so many other people's stories that we're not telling.
Speaker 2:And I will always say and again dill said this at the end like one of the first things that I said to him about going to phoenix is I don't want you to make this about me, make it about them. And actually messaged him just before we come on the podcast here today saying like where the fuck's the documentary? Like where the fuck's the final after movie? So he's finishing up bits and pieces like that and I'm excited to see that because, yeah, he is. He hasn't thought of it as an after movie, he's thought of it as a documentary.
Speaker 2:So I'm like I don't, I don't know what is coming on that one, um, but I spent some time with him last week, um, and he's he just like his, his mind, from a creative standpoint and how he sees things almost like cinematically of like next event, next event, the next event he's always talking about, like the belfast event and going back to being this, everything, yeah, yeah. So it's cool to sort of see his ideas. But yeah, we'll have that within the next couple of weeks, release that and all the other bits and pieces. But, yeah, it's good to be back recording podcasts at a normal cadence.
Speaker 1:Now, no, really quick, I just wanted to run through just some of the ingredients, cause I found the ingredients list here. I don't think we've actually done a breakdown. We'll do a. I think a cool part about what we did is like there's enough. So Don actually asked me this question. I thought it was really cool. He's like well, you know, I'm not a heavy STEM person at the, you know, 400 or 350. I think it's. You know, caffeine is like if I do the half dosage, which is the normal scoop, you know, am I everything based on the research and what's everything else? If you're a 200, you know, uh, milligram caffeine person, which I'm actually becoming that person now.
Speaker 2:So I'm actually using less caffeine, just drink 200 milligrams of caffeine while you've been recording the podcast I did, but I also had 200 milligrams this morning.
Speaker 1:So this is, like you know, so good um, but you know, but we dosed everything properly. So you know, we had obviously the gaba. We had uh citrulline malate um, so uh 5000 there and that's amazing um, as like nitric oxide booster, so pump oxygen enhancer, muscle recovery um helps um promote, like oxygen delivery nutrients to the muscle, especially during, uh, heavy exercise. There's some really good data studies in there. There's an NIH article PMC 857-1142, that goes through the benefits of using citrulline malate as kind of that. We originally put creatine in it. We took it out. There's a lot of reasons for that. Just if you want to add creatine, go for it. I'm a huge fan of it, but it is controversial. The beta alanine is at 1,500 for one, 3, 3000 for two, which is, which is a great low dosage of that, so you're not getting.
Speaker 2:I will say that I'm you know I'm not a huge beta alanine fan and there has been no point like I've had one scoop, I've had two scoops, I've had a little bit more than two scoops of their day. Like total accident we're called, but no, like I haven't been like trying to fucking scratch my face. So yeah, it's good enough.
Speaker 1:Yep, and it helps regulate acid in muscles as well as muscle recovery and endurance. We have beta-anine HCL, which is just a way of better absorption with the ingredients but also helps with making sure that you don't get irritated stomachs from the stuff that you're putting in, because obviously you're putting a lot of nutrients into your body at this point in time, so it helps with a lower irritation. We did 2000 taurine, which is just an absolute staple amino acid for muscle development, recovery, endurance, growth. Um show some massive impacts, by the way, on longevity. So there was a recent study that came out, um, uh, here I have it right, here it's. This is from col Columbia Doctors, but there's an NHC that came out on June 8th that showed some massive anti-aging molecules with taurine. So dosing taurine at certain levels has been shown to increase lifespan. As well as the other benefits of taurine, which is the recovery, endurance, growth, et cetera, it basically helps clean up all the zombie cells in your body. It's just a huge, huge one. That, again, I don't see a lot of taurine in a lot of the pre-workouts, which is just mind-boggling to me.
Speaker 1:We got L-tyrosine, which is a non-essential amino acid, but it's a precursor to an amino acid called phenylalanine which basically is like during stressful situations like endurance or lifting. Lifting it helps the neurotransmitter in your brain, you know, specifically hitting the epinephrine uh, norepinephrine and dopamine inhibitors to give you a really good focus of clarity, uh, as well as energy levels. So you should notice some some pretty decent energy level increases. We did a 2500 milligram dosage of that for tyrosine, um, the caffeine is at 200, but it's the caffeine is based off of short, medium and long duration caffeine, um. So you basically get that immediate absorption of caffeine which usually hits within 10 to 15 to 20 minutes. Then you get the um, the delay, the extended, and then the delayed extended is going to take, you know, about an hour and a half to two hours and then the late will be about you know, three to four hours after that. So you don't get those crashes of the burn as you go through.
Speaker 2:You just ride the caffeine weave for a little bit longer.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. And then we used S7, which is a blend of seven different naturally occurring plants that focus on nitric oxide and oxygen transportation for your muscles. So getting that pump. So it's got a lot of the pump elements in there. I'm a huge fan of S7. It's used at Alpha Lion as well as well as a number of others. Big fan of the blend there. I get some insane pumps with it. And then we got some Santa Energy NU, which is 400 milligrams of that, which is a evergreen herb that's in the West Coast.
Speaker 1:Huge on metabolism, energy boosting, antioxidants. It gives you like a nice extra kick and so not a lot of people put this in there. So this is a really rare one that a lot of people don't know about. It gives you like almost another caffeine kick, but no crash, clean energy and it really helps with a lot of the like just pushing through a hard workout. It really helps with a lot of the just pushing through a hard workout. We included some salt in there, obviously, to recoup some of the electrolytes. Bioperine, which is just black pepper extract just a small dose of that to help with better absorption, safe and yohimbe extract. So we use the yohimbe root extracts, which is great for for pump energy, fat loss, suppresses appetite, reduces fatigue.
Speaker 1:Alpha GPC, of course, which is one of my favorites, but we did a lower dosage of alpha GPC, so we did 0.3 on this one and it's a mixture. So I've noticed if I dose really high alpha GPC that I get a headache afterwards. With lower doses of alpha GPC you get the nootropic effects, the energy effects, without any of the crashes or headaches or things like that. Big fan of alpha-GPC super safe. Multiple studies show increased power outputs, increased nootropics, mental speed and power, increased exercise recovery, increased natural growth hormone production. Although we're not going to see with our dosage that natural hormone productionathy is going to do like insane amounts of alpha GPC for that. That's why you have the GABA in there and then you literally need 600 milligrams of of alpha GPC If you want to get the, the, the IGF, one portion of there, which I feel like complete crap with 600 milligrams with that. So we only have, you know, 300 in there. So a lot of cognitive support and everything else.
Speaker 1:Magnesium so we added magnesium as well. So huge staple for energy production in your body. Helps your neurotransmitters, your brain activity as well as energy production. Magnesium is a huge staple and just again a lot of just really great. So we did magnesium malate, 200 milligrams of that. And then there's some anti-caking in there and stuff like that, but all like silicon dioxide, which is a small agent, anti, anti caking, so it doesn't, like you know, bind together into balls and stuff like that as it dries out. But but it's, you know, full transparency on the whole list. We're still working, obviously working out the final details of getting it out, some new, um, new updates here soon as we kind of press through it. But I'm really excited about it and again, I use it all the time nailed it, nailed it absolutely.
Speaker 2:I couldn't agree more and I like I know it's easy for me to say but like, genuinely like it from a energy output, from a pump, from a how you feel during, after, like, absolutely the cFO, dave Kennedy, chief formulation officer I'm cool with that man, right, I mean for context.
Speaker 2:I know that we say this quite a lot recently, but it is literally 10 15 pm and this goes out at 5 am my time, so this is as close to the wire as we have ever got. But thanks for listening. Um, we may or may not have a guest next week. I have planned it, but we just need to make sure that we can coordinate it with the three of us and then we'll do a podcast on updates on what's going on within the hacks program and vc training and some client stuff, and then potentially, we'll talk a little bit more on the supplement company. Sounds good to. Let's do it. Catch us on all social media platforms at WeHackHealth. Join us in the Discord. The game is ready. I know everybody's been like I've lost the game again. I've lost the game again. The game is actually ready, so it's just on me to actually set that up. So tune in for a little bit more on the game and how we're going to gam.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be awesome, can't wait. Thanks everybody, talk to you guys next week, guys and girls next week. Thanks, man, see you next week later. Thank you.