Hacking Your Health
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Hacking Your Health
Hacking Your Health x Diamond Dallas Page: Organic Vegan Protein Breakthrough // Ep. 167
Dave and Ben announce their long-anticipated collaboration with wrestling legend Diamond Dallas Page on a new USDA-certified organic vegan protein powder that's been in development for over a year and a half.
• Dave recounts how he initially met DDP through a cybersecurity speaking engagement
• The relationship evolved from friendship to business partnership as DDP wanted to create an organic protein product
• Creating the protein involved over 200 iterations to perfect the taste, ingredients, and packaging
• The product is 100% GMP certified, USDA organic certified, vegan, and gluten-free
• New products coming soon include a green apple pre-workout with increased AlphaGPC
• Future product plans include an essentials range with properly dosed vitamins and minerals
• The team discusses their commitment to transparency in ingredients and proper dosing
• Ben and Dave share workout programming recommendations for beginners
If you're interested in our organic vegan protein with DDP or other Hacking Your Health supplements, keep an eye on our website as we'll be launching these new products very soon.
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shit, yo hey. What's up everybody? Welcome to hacking health podcast. I'm your host, ben camming, with dave kennedy. What is up everybody? Welcome back to the show. I'm going to apologize in advance. There's a thunderstorm happening above me and it's like a metal roof and it's loud as fuck, so if you can hear it, I can't hear it.
Speaker 2:That's fine, okay, okay, cool, anything yeah if you lose power or, like this podcast, gets cut short. It's just a solo dave show.
Speaker 1:Uh, we know what happened, so yeah, yeah, yeah, it can compete yet and aware, but that doesn't know about the weather. How are you, dude? What's going on?
Speaker 2:well, I've been sick this past like three weeks like whatever hit me hit me like a ton of bricks. I've been sick in like two and a half years like I'm methodical with like my supplements and like you know all sort of stuff and I've flown a million miles and I never get sick. And uh, aaron got sick and uh, literally, um, I got, I got wrecked. Like I started feeling good, we went to vegas for uh, for uh vacation with the kids and did it like to hoover dam and you know a lot of stuff. And uh, the grand canyon and uh, you know, I started like halfway through the week starting to get in this like raspy throw. I'm like, oh no, here we go. But I was like, but maybe it's like the dry weather in vegas, maybe it's all the smoke you know that everybody's smoking in the, in the lobbies and everything maybe it'll go away. It did not go away. It hit me like like a ton of bricks. I was laid out the following week like I I couldn't do anything. I I tried lifting and it was funny because I'm like, oh, my god, I've lost all my strength because I haven't lifted in a week and I was doing half the weight I was doing before. I'm like, oh my god, I've lost all my muscle. I feel so small right now, I feel so tiny. The whole world's crashing on me and I was so depressed. And then the following week I started to feel a little bit better and I've been lifting. I did two military simulations for Airsoft and I was sick during the entire time. I'm hacking up. Every time I would swallow either water or my own spit. It was the worst burn on my throat that I've ever had in my entire life and I'm just miserable and, needless to say, I'm doing much better now.
Speaker 2:Went to Orange Theory today. Felt great, back to normal. So funny story again I lifted legs on Saturday and I've literally been walking like I have no legs. Uh, because you know, you know, if you haven't lifted legs in like two weeks, your legs are like jello. And so I went to. I went to uh airsoft yesterday with uh, with the boys, and uh, and I was like literally walking, like I had something shoved up my butt and uh, you know, it was everybody airsoft's like are you all right? I'm like, listen, I did legs. All right, I did legs, leave me alone. And today at orange theory, I was running. I was like hobbling as I'm running and finally like when you start running, it eventually, like you know, starts to get better. So it was. It's been a little bit of a rough couple weeks for me, but I'm back in action, uh, feeling a lot better. I'm barely coughing up anything, which is good, so it's like I'm at the very tail end of it. I feel great, back to normal well, you definitely sound much better.
Speaker 1:So that's good, and I'll share this with you because someone um I can't remember, I think maybe jason shared it with the group on one day last week. Just about you saying about taking time off apparently there is a video going around with dr mike explaining that it takes four weeks of being off and doing no training for your body to start like regressing in terms of like strength and muscle mass, and it's very minimal, um, and I know it feels like you feel small because you haven't got a pump and you're like I've got these like fucking skinny arms. Now just who am I? Um, but I'm glad you're feeling better, I'm glad that we're getting back to things. But, yeah, definitely, I think I saw in your check-in like almost 600 minutes of of ourselves. That's probably the exact thing you need to be doing whenever you're recovering from sickness is is spending 600 minutes outdoors and shooting ourself with the boys. That's exactly what you need to be doing, right.
Speaker 2:You know it, it, it, um. I did see, though, like, if you um with Dr Mike and a few other research studies, if you um continuously consume, consume, uh, you know, essential amino acids and branched chain amino acids, bcas you can delay that um four week time period for much longer, uh, before your muscles actually start to waste. So if you're getting adequate protein and everything else, um, and you're doing essential amino acids as part of it, it kind of keeps your muscles in a state. Uh, sorry, sorry about that, sorry, the thunderstorm, you go, you go, you uh, though, for me everything's good on this end.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm just not completely distracted by you taking a phone call, but, uh, I just um managing everything. Uh, we are this is the fourth week in the end game, so just actually continuing to sort of as I get used to the new process and and check and cheat and other bits and pieces, just continuing to add stuff to it to make a a more valuable resource. So I've just been timing my laptop over the past few weeks, few weeks, getting that done, um, adding different pieces, different pieces in for the, the systems check, which I don't know if actually I've spoken about, but essentially every 12 weeks. Now, what we're going to do and I'll actually get you to do this now this week is a bit of a testing week and then we'll we review it every 12 weeks. So it includes wall set passive hanging, three rep max deadlift, three rep max bench press as many reps as possible, push-ups a mile and a half run for time, either ski erg, rower or bike erg for a minute and highest calorie burn.
Speaker 1:Rest and heart rate average heart rate recovery after intense cardio cardio how quickly you can do that. And then your waist to height ratio. Uh, essentially because while it's cool that we can talk about getting stronger and you know, you see the progress in terms of your logbook but actually having a physical like there's 10 things, there's 11 things to go through and we we go through them, we're going to go through them every 12 weeks just to sort of see as a baseline to make sure we're progressing across the board on that. So I've had that over the past couple of weeks and that is pretty much it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome. I'm just glad to be back in action, glad to be here. Sorry for the ringing there. I have a delivery being not gym equipment, not gym equipment.
Speaker 2:This time I did order, by the way, did order the uh, the prime, is it primal? Yeah, I ordered there. So they have a bicep curl machine, um, that they have, uh, that I really like a lot. It's like got three different positions you can load it on, but it takes a year to get them, um, so I finally ordered it. So in a year I will be getting a shipment of that bicep curl machine that I'm going to wait a whole year for.
Speaker 1:So but uh, when it arrives, you can say there I'm back. No, I ordered this a year ago. There's absolutely no way he's gonna believe you, absolutely no way. I love the, the prime. You say so. The black with the like lime green is it that brand you're talking about?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's so difficult to get but so worthwhile. And they do sometimes the fitness gym empire, whatever the fuck I call, where we ordered the, the refurbished stuff from. They do sometimes have but they find it like quick, difficult to get by ski and it's that sort of lead time with it.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, really, really cool stuff, yep well, so we have some extremely, extremely exciting news that we've kept secret for a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very long time. This is what a year and a half in the making here, and I would like we actually we've hinted at it. You know what? We've hinted at it, but we haven't. Yeah, yeah, but we've.
Speaker 1:I think I feel like we've actually kept it secret, like I I think, yeah, we did people that know in terms of the people within the community and other bits and pieces. But I think sometimes you say we keep a secret and I remember that we've told those people, but I don't. We have actually kept this one a secret for the the entire time yeah, which is impressive for us, by the way.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have to say like we're very bad at keeping secrets. Like you know, I had a top secret sci clearance in the military and I'm one of the worst people about keeping secrets like, but how, but how I kept those stats of secret. I have no idea, you know, let alone anything else in my life. So I'm just so excited I want to tell everybody everything.
Speaker 1:Like, yes, this is it. I think it's because it's the excitement and it's sort of it's been tough to keep a secret, but I think definitely, definitely worthwhile. I wasn't planning on this episode being up, but this is what we're doing today, so over to you, all right.
Speaker 2:I'll let you spill the tea. So let's just give a little bit of history lesson here first, and how this all transpired, and then we'll talk about the actual exciting news. So a few years ago I was able to meet Diamond Dallas Page, and the way that this happened is there's a gentleman named Larry Dolan from the Fanatics and this is kind of a funny story because he messaged me. He's like hey, I'd love you to come speak to all of the different sports brands, like the NBA, the NFL, things like that, and give a keynote about cybersecurity. And he's like what's your speaker fee? And I was like hey, man, dude, it's just an honor to be able to come over there and talk to you folks. It's just in New York, it's a quick hop. I'm not going to charge you anything to come out there and talk to these different brands. This is the coolest opportunity ever. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I always feel weird charging for cybersecurity events. So I typically do not charge for cybersecurity events. If it's a public speaking gig out in the open, things like that, where they want me to come to a big, massive event, then that's different. You're taking time out of your day, especially if it's long distance, things like that. There's something that goes into that. But I typically feel really weird charging money for doing cybersecurity stuff for people in cybersecurity. I just feel like I should be able to do that as part of who I am.
Speaker 2:And so Larry's like are you sure I have money aside for this? I can totally pay you for this engagement. I'm like no man, I'm just happy to be there. Thank you so much. So he's like okay, well. He's like well, I had it and he didn't tell me this. But he's like well, I had already this money budgeted for you. So he's like I knew you were a big wrestling fan and I knew that Diamond Dallas Page was one of your favorite wrestlers growing up as a kid. And so I'm in the middle of giving this presentation and Larry's there the NBA, the NFL, the NHL, the MLB, everybody's in this thing. I and I'm like my brain stopped computing, like I didn't know what was happening. I thought I'd been transversed to like an alternate reality and like the time got wibbly, wobbly, if you know Doctor who. And I was just like wait a minute. Like first of all, that's Diamond Dallas Page and he's asking for Dave Kennedy. I'm like am I about to get my ass beat here?
Speaker 1:You know like is something wrong.
Speaker 2:Like what is going on and so and so, like larry had arranged for ddp he happened to be in new york at that time, uh, to come on give me a shout out and, um, he did a great talk, motivational talk, um, on fitness and health and what he's been able to do with, you know, arthur and butterbean and those folks just amazing transformations of people that were literally in wheelchairs, very inspirational. And uh, you know, we just hit it off like, uh, ddp and us was just like really like, you know, got really close really fast. Uh, he invited me out to his house in atlanta.
Speaker 2:I did a workout where he kicked my ass yeah, he did a cool plunge for him as well, I think yeah yep, yep, and him and his wife page is absolutely incredible and, uh, you know, we've been, we've been forging this relationship and friendship, uh, for quite a long time and like, literally now I, I text and talk to DDP every single day. Almost it's crazy. We're just BSing back and forth. And I just had him out here for SmileyCon, which was an event that we put on for just trusted set customers and we had DDP as the keynote, and so I picked him up from the airport and he came over and we had dinner with the family. Now he considers me his adopted son, I'm his adopted son or I'm his adopted son, um, which is kind of a cool thing. But, um, you know, I, I, when I was over at his house in atlanta, um, you know he was talking about how he always wanted to make a organic, uh, protein, like he's really big into, you know, gluten-free, um, those types of things and what he puts into his body. I mean the guy's, like, you know, 10 months away from being 70 years old and the guy kicked my ass lifting. I mean he's incredible, he's in incredible shape, the guy is flexible, he's amazing. I don't know how he does it. And then, when he goes and gives his talk. It's full of energy and life and everything else. He's just a great dude. So I was like, hey, we have this new supplement brand we came up with called Hacking your Health. You want to come aboard and be a part of it. And he's like hell, yeah, let's do it. And he's like I want to bring my other buddy into, tony Freeman, who's an IFBB bodybuilder professional IFBB bodybuilder. He's one of my good friends, love to be able to come under the Hacking your Health umbrella and create this organic vegan protein. And so over the past year and a half, we have been perfecting a truly 100% GMP certified, usda organic certified, organic, vegan, gluten-free protein shake that tastes phenomenal Both vanilla and chocolate and it's going to be repped by DDP DDP's on the label. His picture's on there. He's actually going to WrestleMania on Saturday to promote it, which is really cool. He's actually going to WrestleMania on Saturday to promote it, which is really cool. So it's an amazing opportunity to have somebody like DDP behind hacking your health and the brand and everything else that's going on there. That's going to take us to new heights and trajectories.
Speaker 2:And it was funny because when he was over, I had him try our whey isolate protein. And what's interesting about that is, you know, it's basically 99.9999% lactose free and it's, you know, really light on the stomach and everything else. And you try it and he's like make it how you would make it. And so I made 90 grams of protein, so it was six scoops of protein with just you know, half a thing of water and it mixes perfect, like there's no clumps or anything like that. And he tries. He's like, oh my god, like this is incredible, like I'm getting 90 grams of protein here really. And he was just blown away and he just loves, loves what we're doing, loves the products. Um, you know, loves how we, you know back everything up and everything else. And, uh, you know, he's really really picky, in particular, in a good way, on taste and making sure everything is done the right way. So our ingredients, everything else we put into it, was really with no filler, no BS put into it, literally just raw ingredients that is good for your body.
Speaker 2:And so that's our new product launch, which is coming out within the next few weeks.
Speaker 2:We're going to have a 100% vegan and organic chocolate and vanilla protein. That is the second to none. Like it's, it's incredible, it tastes amazing, looks amazing. Uh, the bins look amazing on it with ddp on there and everything with a diamond cutter and everything. Um, you know, uh, the matte finish that that you know is is big and I was gonna say like the you know, like, like I'm not detail oriented. Ben is definitely the towards a person, so he definitely gets the credit for how it looks and feels and everything else that goes along with it, because he was like it's got to have this matte finish on, it's got to have this on, it's got to have this on, it's got to look like this, it's got to be like this. Um, and we probably we probably have no bullshit been through like 200 iterations. Like like that's not even that's not even an overestimate, like like we've been through 200 iterations of this damn thing to get it out to where it's at today. We're finally there, so I'm super excited about this announcement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think the thing is I knew DDP was the right person whenever he was so meticulous about the things. And I think the thing is I want to emphasize that this isn't just an influencer fucking paid collab. He is in the business like he is a part of, of hacking your health as a brand, and he was. He was there. You know, it wasn't like we turned up. We have this protein, like do you want to be the face of it?
Speaker 2:he's like he was there along the way, like he sampled it back and forth the entire thing, the ingredients, like what he wanted in it, you know the flavor, like I mean he must have went back. We sent him probably 50 samples of different flavors. He's like I want it more creamy here. I want this removed here, I want this here, like I mean, like we went through so many different iterations of sampling that I, you know, I know synergy probably like pulling their hair out, like damn it, seriously like like you know, but hey, they're great, they're awesome. Um, they're good folks, like worth it like.
Speaker 1:You know, I, I would rather do that, work up front and be right, because whenever it goes out, it goes out and you can't sort of, you can only have the first try once. And so I think on that front, you know, we had that um, both both him and page, in terms of like, making sure it was right, making sure that it was the, the quality ingredients they wanted, the ingredient profile that they wanted, um, making sure that it was managed in terms of calories and obviously protein intake and and the flavor, and then obviously everything else that came along with it from the design perspective. And a shout out to Sean at, uh, somewhere uncharted as well, because even up until today we're like can we get this out? And he's like right, I'll send you over the final design. He's like can we just change this?
Speaker 2:before before he said that I'm sure he's like these fucking guys, um, I gotta give a special shout out to to jess and chris and josh over over at synergy. Yeah, like, they were absolutely amazing to work with throughout this entire process. Like you know, like we originally went with like like a boss the wall, like full meal replacement type of thing, yeah, and then we're like man, this is like like eating like a full meal, and then we went to more of just a hey, we need an organic protein, yeah, and they were totally cool like working with it. And jess is like a master ingredient person and flavor person. Uh, you know, she did, she did amazing putting this all together.
Speaker 2:And you know, chris with the branding and everything else, so, like. And then sean, you know, obviously on your side from a creative perspective, I know he wanted to pull his hair out with all the different. Uh, you know, like, like this place, we need to be here with diamond dial's page and this signature needs to look like. This place needs to be here with Diamond Dallas Page and this signature needs to look like this do you know how many times I've saved?
Speaker 1:I actually have it here, a folder here on my laptop DDP final. This is the final one and I'm like, oh actually, no, we definitely need to change it up. But yeah, everybody's been great and they've been dealing with us back and forward and many different emails and many different relations, but they sent that out. I reached out to Jess and the team and said can I get hands on the tubs? Because I want to, number one, make sure that we've nailed it in terms of the label on the map, finish and the spot UV and the paints and other different bits and pieces. But also I want to start creating some content with it, with Dill and making sure we get some product shots and other bits and pieces. So they sent that out and like instantly, as soon as they opened the box, I was like, yeah, they've absolutely nailed it in this and I know that Sean reached out to the actual printer to make sure that we have everything covered. So everybody definitely.
Speaker 1:I think after we got the initial couple of products out, I think we had an understanding of how we like to work and the details that we like to get into. So I'm of how we like to work and the details that we like to get into. So I'm sure there was no shock in it with that, but I think we definitely went overboard in terms of the amount of iterations and other bits and pieces. Um, but yeah, I'm happy with it. Um, like really really happy with the design, really happy with the feel of it, because I think that, yes, how it looks is one thing, but how it feels in your hand, to me anyway, um, I feel like is is important and I feel like that sort of sets the tone for the brand as the whole.
Speaker 2:So we're ready to go in the next uh, couple of weeks, like we're just like we. We got our usda organic certification already done. Um, you know which means they? They go through everything that we source, they test it. Like it goes through a rigorous process to make sure that you know there's nothing in there that that says it isn't. It's 100% organic. It's a process to go through and we've been through all of the tests and the certifications and everything else that goes along with that. So you know what you're putting in your body is literally exactly what it says in that label, which I think is really important. That's what's all of our product Our whey isolate, our pre-workout what's in there is dosed exactly the way it is. Um, and then one more tidbit of news is that we're also coming out with a green apple pre-workout as well.
Speaker 2:So you can always spell all the tea today yes, so we got a green apple flavor coming out shortly, um, and the recipe has been modified just slightly, so so originally, if you look at the amount, so everything's exactly the same as far as dosages and everything else, but we upped the AlphaGPC to 150 and 300 per two scoops. So that was important to us, I think you know I like how AlphaGPC is more of a brain, nootropic brain food, things like that. So it'll be the same dosages, scoops and everything else, just with more, more alpha gpc. In the newer version. The current ones, the uh shell pop and uh strawberry lime, will remain the same until we're out of inventory and then that will have the new recipe as it. As it goes in, um, you know as you go along, but, uh, you know we're always iterating. So you know, technically that's a version 1.1, uh, with the the green apple, but I would say the green apple tastes delicious like it is well, yes, and I had.
Speaker 1:Obviously we got the samples and stuff and I have been sharing it along the way and it is everybody's new favorite. I'm just actually glad that you didn't say strawberry and kiwi for the first time and you actually knew the flavor it's taking me two years to not say kiwi.
Speaker 1:By the way it was, it was entrenched in my brain, so yeah yeah, I think I think with that like obviously you know number one I think you and I can both agree that we didn't know what we were getting into when we decided that we wanted to start a supplements company. Um, I think there was a lot more to it in terms of things that you're taking into consideration and and stuff that needs done, um, and it's definitely been a very steep learning curve the whole way through the process. I think so much time and energy has gone into the vegan protein and the product that we're about to launch. We haven't really had time beyond the sour apple. We haven't really had time to look at other products, but I think we're both in agreement that after that we're starting to look at essentials range and sort of basic minerals and vitamins that you can sort of take day to day, and so that's sort of the pipeline for over the next few months.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like, I like the concepts. If you look at, like you know, animal pack or on it, those those folks that literally have like a day and night pack, really like those you know and I think you know being able to, I do think so. I don't like onyx ingredients personally. I think they're underdosed, especially like the omegas and a lot of other things. But the concept of having a day in an omelette.
Speaker 2:So what Ben and I had said is, if we're going to do that, we're going to do it so that it's dosed appropriately for what you need, especially around the vitamin D, the omegas, gaba, everything else that goes along with A and PM magnesium. So there's some really amazing data studies on if you're deficient in magnesium. Your chances of pancreatic cancer, amongst other cancers, is substantially heightened by taking dosages of magnesium, specifically Magnesium glycinate or there's a few other ones, but glycinate is the easiest for your body to absorb. Um, you know a few other different types of magnesium. Um, you can reduce your chances of just pancreatic cancer by 70 by taking magnesium supplement 70. I'm like, hey, I don't want pancreatic cancer personally um you know I'm taking magnesium, you know.
Speaker 2:so it also helps with you know, your brain, sleep, everything else that goes along with it, oxygenation in your bloodstream, cardiovascular health. Magnesium is such a critical mineral for our body, so having an AM and PM stack for that and being able to put it out there, I think, is going to be really important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think there's a couple of people that I follow. There's a guy actually from the UK. His name is Ben Coomber, he's a nutritionist and he has his own supplements brand and he was actually at the talk that Matt was given a couple of weeks back and he has a supplements brand and I see a lot of his ads and stuff and he calls out a lot of bigger companies for sort of underdosing and talk about proprietary blends and shit like that. And I think, while that would be easy to do and probably I understand why a lot of companies do do it, I think, while that would be easy to do and probably I understand why a lot of companies do do it, I think for us to sort of stay true to why we want to do it and for it to be health orientated, like we will always be fully visible and transparent in terms of what we're putting in and ensuring that we're doing it to the correct dosage.
Speaker 1:And if there is new research comes out, we will change it. And you know, if we do decide that it needs something else or change or adjusted, we will always do that. And something else or change or adjusted, we will always do that. And I actually heard and I'm almost reluctant to say this because I hold alex from osie in such high regard but he used to have a supplements brand and he specifically said, you know, whenever he was younger, that he was so focused on on what went into it internally in terms of ingredients the same way you and I are and then he sort of came to realize that it didn't fucking matter and it was just how it was branded and other bits and pieces and I'm like sort of like that was a I don't really know about that, alex, and maybe in terms of looking at it from a mass you can do both.
Speaker 2:You can do both, you can brand it amazing and have it look amazing, but also the dosage. Is there right I?
Speaker 1:absolutely agree and I think that I guess our promise to everybody who's listening because we were frustrated by other supplements company and the stuff that we weren't getting. So we're not going to start making products that we wouldn't use or would underdose for the stuff that we want to have. And my goal is for us and I assume you're on board with this for us to create a full supplements brand of everything that we use so we can get it from ourselves and be able to have everything under the one roof. Yep.
Speaker 2:So really exciting news, really excited about it. Hopefully you folks are as well. Check, keep an eye out. We'll be updating the site here very soon. They have the coming soon components. We're just waiting for the final prints. All the ingredients are in, everything's there, the bins in, everything else is in. It's just a matter of putting it all together and then being able to offer it up on our site for distribution, which is coming up very, very soon.
Speaker 1:And also get some other people to proofread it, because I think you and I have read it that many times that no words actually make sense anymore.
Speaker 2:Just to make sure that it's ready to go. The worst is when it goes out and you're like seriously. You read it 70,000 times and there's one extra period somewhere or something stupid. You're like come on, man, 50 people have worked at it. None of them have found it. And then we launched, and then someone's like hey, I think this is a typo. I'm like yep, it's a typo, yeah we've only got 3,000 of them.
Speaker 1:Perfect, yep.
Speaker 2:So version 1.1 is just a period removal. Yeah, we spellchecked it and said it again. So, yeah, we spellchecked it and said it again. So one last thing I wanted to get on before we wrap the podcast up is so I had a this is actually more of an internal question, but one of my buddies at Airsoft, kai, is looking at getting into weightlifting and he was like, what do you recommend? And you know, starting off like three times a week, what would you recommend? And this is actually where I was a little bit um, conflicted on you know. So, so, only three times a week and this is a great question for you, ben, because obviously you have many folks that do, uh, three times a week, would you do a push pull leg or would you do three full bodies? And here here's my rationality for for either. Or, okay, and then I want to get your opinion on this.
Speaker 2:So you typically want to send that muscle growth signal as much as possible throughout that whole week, right? So the more you can hit certain muscle groups, the more gain you're going to get because of that. So to me, doing three full body exercises makes a lot of sense. However, I don't know if you're getting enough volume in sets for that maximization of muscle growth by being able to do that. So typically what they say is you want to get to maximize growth. Maximize growth like the best conditions. You want to get anywhere between 15 to 20 sets a week for maximum optimal growth. That doesn't mean that you're not going to get growth with 10 sets a week. It's not going to mean that you're not going to get growth with eight sets a week. It just means maximum output performance for muscle growth seems to be in that 15 to 20 set range per week per muscle group, right. So if you're able to do, let's just say, five workouts a week, you can hit those muscle groups typically twice a week, maximizing the amount of growth that you have for that.
Speaker 2:However, we also know that getting too close to muscle failure in those exercises promotes the most amount of growth. So my question to you is would you split it up with push-pull legs, knowing that you can get to maximum muscle failure during those push-pull leg series? Or do you split that up with three full-body shoulders and biceps and triceps? You know you're not going to be able to get you know five. You know 10 sets per each of those are going to be in the gym for three hours, you know. So what? What do you recommend? I'm just curious on your, your thoughts uh, training history like, has he?
Speaker 1:has he trained before? No, okay, um, I would do three full body and the reason being. And if you want to talk about sets and make it in line with what you're saying, if you say, for example, if you're saying 15 to 20 working sets across the week per muscle group, I would just do two sets, two exercises, three sets per muscle group per session. So two chest exercises, three sets, two chest exercises, three sets, two back exercises, three sets, two quad exercises, three sets, two hamstring exercises, three sets, the whole way. And I would do that because somebody who is untrained isn't going to be able to train to failure. Training to failure is a learned skill and the more reps literal reps that they can do and actually learn how your body moves and actually learn the contraction, um, I would keep it super simple.
Speaker 1:I would do three full body sessions.
Speaker 1:I would do two muscle, two exercises per muscle group, three sets of 10 to 15 and just just start from there.
Speaker 1:And because that's then 18 sets per muscle group across the week, and if you're doing 10 to 15, um, it's just volume of reps to acquire the skill at that point, uh, and then you could look at improving that down the line and then you could go into something like push roll legs.
Speaker 1:But I like, especially for three days a week and especially for people who are in the first year, if not two years, of training, I think full body is optimal, um, because it just gives you the most variety and, as you said, the most opportunity to hit those muscle groups across the week. Because if you're doing, say, for example, you're doing push pull legs and you do upper body push, upper body pull and then you're doing legs, you have to do a lot of sets on legs, lower body and a lot of recovery, um, whereas if you can hit that more frequently and spread it out across the week, um, you can be a little bit more intentional with what you're doing and obviously you can get more variety of exercises across the the sessions as well yep, so, so, but if you're able to work out, let's just say, five days a week, push, pull legs rest.
Speaker 2:Push, pull legs rest to me makes a lot of sense, would you? Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1:it does, yeah. But again, if it's somebody who's brand new, I would still do yeah. Um, because you, you can, you can again. You can recover quite quickly at the start as well, and the more muscle mass you have, the longer it takes you to recover. So if there's somebody who's untrained, you can recover quite quickly. So it's still favor full body, you're saying.
Speaker 2:You're saying, by the way, you're saying um three sets, two exercises, so total six sets per muscle group yep, yep, that makes sense. Across three sets is 18 sets per muscle group across the week so you're still hitting them essentially 12 to 18 times, 18 times a week per muscle group.
Speaker 1:So still getting into that range motion of sets, just distributing them more throughout the week, yep makes sense to me, and actually I haven't done yours yet, but I'm going to do your program over the next couple of days in the new check-in sheet with the training. So the training is no longer in true culture training not yours has been in a while, but the training is now in the check-in sheet. Um, it actually calculates. There's a graph at the top. It calculates the amount of sets per muscle group across the week. So then, if you tell me that you want to focus on chest and shoulders, I can see that they're slightly elevated compared to everything else. Um, so it's a good way to keep on on top of that as well.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, that would be what my recommendation would be okay because it came to me and I was like I was thinking about it. I'm like, well, if he's only got three, you know, especially starting off, like I'd rec, I don't recommend people do five days a week starting off you know that's gonna be too much, too much over.
Speaker 2:You want to kind of like, um, you know, get yourself into it and then eventually you have that dedication right. You know you have to learn those, those habits and behaviors. And you know the people that that go to the gym like I'm gonna go seven days a week they burn out almost instantaneously, you know, especially when they're first starting off. So you know, I usually recommend two to three times a week is just, you know, your first starting off point. Then as you start to like it more, your body starts to want it more. Then you can obviously increase the amount of times you lift.
Speaker 2:You know we plus you're also getting those muscles into a sustained state that you know they get used to that type of exercise and the recovery and the growth and all that stuff. So you're kind of gearing your body to be a muscle building machine versus a fat building machine as you go through and do it. And so yeah, for me think, uh, um, that makes a lot of sense. I was just curious, I was kind of split and torn because I like, I like push, pull legs quite a bit, but I also live five days a week. So you know, for me it's like you know, but it doesn't fit to people that want to do three days a week and you still want to get that maximum range of sets to maximize your growth. Uh, I think it's. You know, it's a good, good, good split there.
Speaker 1:For sure I'm going to, I'll do this after and I'll send it across. I'm going to go back and actually look to see what I programmed for you right at the start, like your very first training block, and we'll see what. I'm curious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and I don't mind doing full bodies, you know, and stuff like that. You know, a couple times a week, uh, it actually, um, might make sense for this training block, uh to do something like that, for the simple fact that I'm, for some reason, I have this like mental block with legs right now. I really hate legs and I've never had that before. It's like I really dreading going and doing legs for some reason and uh, I don't know why that is, I still do them. You know I'm. You know I'm just, I'm just being a bitch, but you know it's like. It's like, you know, when it's chest day, when it's back day, I'm like hell yeah, and then it's like day, I'm like shit. You know, like I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1:Actually, I'll chat to you after. We can talk about what you want your training block to look like, but one thing that I find beneficial. So my training setup at the minute is pull, push, rest upper lower, and then there's obviously lower body and your pull and push is split with legs in that.
Speaker 1:There is lower body in it, but you're not doing a full leg session. So you are hitting it across the week but it's not going in. I do have, obviously, the one full lower body session, which is brutal, um, but yeah, it just. It incorporates them through those sessions too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, well, I'm in, I'll give a shot whatever you think.
Speaker 1:Whatever you think, boss maybe I'll just, I'll just program the first training block that we did, that we ever did, literally, literally the first training block I ever did, did.
Speaker 2:I think my numbers will be a little bit different.
Speaker 1:On the weight, though uh, the volume, but uh, for sure, for sure. But yeah, I'll go back and have a look at that just for a laugh and see where we're at awesome well, that was it for today.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
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